is science going to be the new god? we don't need god as much. we can control our pain. we can control our disease. >> no, because we're finally personal beings and we desire relationship. we don't merely to desire 20 years long asian not have certain diseases. we do desire this thing but we'r created in the image of god and most fundamentally god himself from do you have thoughts on this? >> i think in this coming century people will lean toward god and rediscover themselves in the image of the almighty god. and number two -- >> when the time comes, when the time comes that you see and you greet, as a friend, a cloned human being, another person that looks exactly like you, and you know that that person has been cloned, is that going to i am pell you to -- impell to respect and love god more or incline you to move away from god into science? >> that needs to be discussed more thoroughly by scholars, theologians to come up with the right solution in the coming years. >> i think we've established that you, dr. dever, take the resurrection literally. >> that's right, on th